Tangram should not use a faucet for the distribution

Raizen______

Who had the faucet idea in the first place ?

So first of all I want to say that David's faucet "images descriptions faucet" is pretty smart,
with this faucet you avoid the number one problem that Raiblocks had , captcha solving services , Raiblocks used text captchas(then changed to audio) but people could use services like https://anti-captcha.com/ to solve thousands of captchas for less than a dollar.

That's really the only advantage of David's faucet , but we still have those problems :

Not decentralized , Tangram is a privacy coin , devs can just take a cut and no one will know.
Farms ,places where people are doing captchas all day night like a job , they can work from home if they have a pc , for example http://matrixgroupve.com/ is paying people in Venezuela to do banano faucets in exchange of some bolivar, matrixgroupeve was already doing the same with raiblocks).
look at the comment: https://gist.github.com/justdmitry/b2899b66117a6a7ffae2d4326c583b80
Another example : https://www.kaskus.co.id/thread/571e00522e04c8a44b8b456e/hiring-captcha-solvers-000288btc-rp-15000-per-jam
Faucet users are in majority from country like Venezuela , so distribution will not really be worldwide.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/450770169342590998/546747484379283476/unknown.png
(from meme faucet at banano)

The faucet needs moderators , people need to check every single reports and so far there is no way to know what mods are doing (i know that because i'm a mod at the meme faucet at banano).
That mean too we can't have a distribution that last too long

So to conclude , if we adopt this distribution :
-It will be a short time distribution so not fair for people that are late in.
-It needs multiple people to check every reports , so it's not trustless.
-People from third world countries will just see the faucet like a job , even worst if they work for a farm.
-We can't know if devs are rigging the distribution.

stang

partially agreed. i think the image faucet should just be one of many distribution methods.

Leoser

Two points on your conclusion are completely irrelevant.

1) "It will be a short time distribution so not fair for people that are late in."
Who got into tangram first gets the "reward" first. It's pretty fair. It's impossible to equally distribute crypto to early adopters and "later" adopters.

2) "People from third world countries will just see the faucet like a job , even worst if they work for a farm."
You can say that "it's worse than work in a farm", but that's just your point of view. Nobody is obligated to do the faucet. If a person in Venezuela wants to do it and trade tangram to another currency, what's the problem? The faucet is just an option for them to get money.

I can agree with the other points.
Btw, what would be your solution to distribute tangram if not a faucet?

Raizen______

In my opinion a long distribution like bitcoin/ethereum will help the coin attract people in the long run and tangram should not become a job , it's not meant to be one , so maybe it's preferable to avoid that for a purely speculative aspect.

I would prefer something similar to what ethereum is planning with staking.

edit: And i think investors can get scared when they learn that people can get coins for free in a short term ,there is a risk to create whales for cheap

stang

wouldn't staking require X amount up front to lock away? most of those types of systems require a non-meager amount ($,$$$+). some people wouldn't have that. they need other distribution methods.

asdfjklsemi

stang I actually outlined this in the proposal, so no, locking them up isn't really a thing. Also, I think n3bs said something like 10,000 Tangram which is $500 right now.
$400 if we use my proposal 😉

Oppa_Tangram_style

Use AI-resistant captchas.

Raizen______

Cleo
I didn't changed my mind , devs didn't changed theirs so i adapt and gave advice to David to have a make a good faucet, but yea now with asdfjkl; proposal i think it's just useless to only have a faucet.
btw it's not just opinions , farms/bots/anti-captchas services are facts , even the fact that it is not decentralized :/

i can't edit the post anymore so please just ignore the first line

Oppa_Tangram_style Exactly what David's faucet do

Cleo

Raizen, seriously, please be more respectful.
You start off the the discussion with "Who the fuck had the faucet idea in the first place?"
This level of demeaning ridicule turns me off from talking to you.
It's really not okay. I know we're on the Internet, and people shit talk. Still, we don't need to be speaking about the devs, or anyone else, in this way.
Raizen, I seen you in action for a while now. You have strong opinions. Some of them are well-considered, others of them less so. Nevertheless, you push your opinion strongly. Sometimes you change your mind a month or two later and push in the opposite direction

There are arguments for a faucet, and there are arguments against it.

Let's have a reasonable discussion, and cool it on the ridicule.

stang

Cleo

COPIED FROM DISCORD: I just want to say that I think a reasonably sized percentage of the distribution SHOULD be by faucet. At least 5%-20%. Maybe more. The success of a coin depends in good part upon community involvement and motivation. Rewarding people who run a node is good, and I think should be done. But a lot of people who are interested in learning about crypto will not run a node. My guess is that the number of people interested in tangram but who wouldn't run nodes is between 1x and 10x the number of people who would run nodes. Maybe more. We shouldn't cut these people out of the community.

A counterargument would be that these people could simply buy tangram on an exchange. But having strong community involvement and enthusiasm is often pivotal in getting a coin listed on exchanges in the first place.